Thursday, 22 November 2007

ေဆြးေႏြးၾကရေအာင္

ကၽြန္ေတာ္တို႔ အခု အခ်ိန္အထိ ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံကို စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႔တာ၊ ေကာင္းတယ္၊ မေကာင္းဘူး အျငင္းပြားေနတာေတြ ျမင္ေတြ႔ ၾကားသိေနရတုန္းပါပဲ။

စကၤာပူက ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံကို စီးပြာေရး ပိတ္တာ မေကာင္းပါဘူးလို႔ ေျပာသြားပါတယ္။ တရုပ္၊ အိႏၵိယနဲ႔ အာဆီယံေတြက ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံကို ပူးေပါင္းေဆာင္ရြက္ရမယ္လို႔ ေျပာေနတဲ့ တၿပိဳင္နက္ထဲမွပဲ၊ အီးယူ၊ အေမရိကန္၊ ကေနဒါ စတဲ့ ႏိုင္ငံေတြက ထပ္ၿပီး ထိထိေရာက္ေရာက္ ပိတ္ဖို႔ ေျပာေနၾကပါတယ္။

အလားတူပါပဲ တခ်ိဳ႕ ျမန္မာေတြက ေျပာတာေတြလဲ ရွိလာေနၾကပါတယ္။ ေကာင္းတယ္ မေကာင္းဘူးဆိုတာကိုေပါ့။ mizzima က တင္ထားတဲ့ သတင္း တစ္ခုရဲ႕ comment ေတြကို ဒီေနရာမွာ quote ျပန္လုပ္လိုက္ပါတယ္။

  • စဥ္းစဥ္းစားစားလညး္လုပ္ၾကပါအံုးေနာ့္ .............
အခုေျပာမယ့္အေၾကာင္းအရာက ပုသိမ္ေထာင္က အက်ဥ္းသား ၈ဝ လြတ္ေျမာက္လာတဲ့ အေၾကာင္းနဲ႔ မပါတ္သတ္ပါဘူး။ ဒါေပမယ့္စပ္ဆက္မႈ ရွိတဲ့ေနရာ မေတြ႔လို႔ဒီမွာ လာေျပာရတာပါ။ အေ၀းေရာက ္ျမန္မာေတြနဲ႔ ႏိုင္ငံေရး တေဇာက္ကန္း အခ်ဳိ႕လိုခ်င္ေနၿပီး မရမကအတင္းဇြတ္ေတာင္းေနတဲ့ ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံအေပၚ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔မႈေတြ အေၾကာင္းေျပာခ်င္ပါတယ္။ အခုလက္ရွိျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံမွ အတိုက္အခံေတြ ေတာင္းဆိုေနၿပီး ႏိုင္ငံႀကီး အခ်ဳိ႕ကအေကာင္အထည္ေဖၚေနတဲ့ ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံအေပၚ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႔မႈေတြက စစ္အစိုးရကို စုတ္ျပတ္သတ္ၿပီး က်ဆံုးသြားေအာင္မလုပ္ႏိုင္ခင္ ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံမွ လက္လုပ္လက္စား အေျခခံလူတန္းစားေတြကို အရင္ဆံုး အစာငတ္ၿပီး ေသဆံုးကုန္ေအာင္ လုပ္ႏုိင္တာကို ေတြးမိရဲ႕လား။
ကၽြန္ေတာ္ကေတာ့ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔မႈေတြကို လံုး၀ဆန္႔က်င္ပါတယ္။ မေထာက္ခံပါဘူး။ ဘယ္ႏုိင္ငံမွဘယ္လို အုပ္ခ်ဳပ္မႈမ်ဳိးပဲျဖစ္ျဖစ္ အျခားႏိုင္ငံေတြကစီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔မႈကိုခံရရင္ အဲဒီႏုိင္ငံကဘယ္လိုမွ တိုးတက္စရာအေၾကာင္းအရွိပါဘူး။ ျမန္မာႏုိင္ငံမွာလဲ ဘယ္သူ ၊ ဘယ္လိုအုပ္ခ်ဳပ္ေရးပဲ ျဖစ္ေနပါေစ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔မႈေတြရွိခဲ့ရင္ ႏုိင္ငံတိုးတက္ေအာင္လုပ္ဖို႔ဆိုတာ ဘယ္လိုနည္းနဲ႔မွ မျဖစ္ႏိုင္ပါဘူး။ ဒါေၾကာင့္မို႔ ျမန္မာျပည္က ေအာက္ေျခ လူတန္စားေတြကို သနားရင္၊ ျမန္မာျပည္ႀကီး တိုးတက္ၿပီး ခ်မ္းသာတဲ့ ႏုိင္ငံအျဖစ္ျမင္ခ်င္ရင္ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔ေအာင္ ေတာင္းဆိုေနတာ ေတြကိုရပ္ၿပီး ကန္႔ကြက္ဆန္႔က်င္ၾကဖို႔တုိက္တြန္းပါတယ္။
(စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔မႈ ကိုလိုခ်င္ သူမ်ားထဲတြင္ ေအာက္ေျခလူတန္းစားမ်ားမပါ၀င္ဘူး ဆိုတာသတိခ်ပ္သင့္ပါတယ္။)

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စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႕တာ တုိ႕မမႈပါ ဆိုေနရေပမဲ့ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈေတြ အရွိန္ျမွင့္လာေတာ့ ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈေတြ ပယ္ဖ်က္ေပးဖို႕ ေတာင္းဆိုလာတာကို အထင္အရွားျမင္ေနရၿပီမဟုတ္လား။
ဒါဟာ နအဖ စစ္အုပ္စုရဲ႕ ရွင္သန္ႏိုင္မႈကို ထိခိုက္ေနၿပီဆိုတာ မ်က္၀ါးထင္ထင္ပါပဲ။
ေအာက္ေျခ လူတန္းစားေတြ ဆင္းရဲေနတာ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႕မႈေၾကာင့္မွ မဟုတ္ပဲကြယ္။ တကယ့္ ကုန္သြယ္ဖက္ တရုပ္။ အိႏၵိယ အာစီယံႏိုင္ငံေတြက ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈ လုပ္မွမလုပ္ပဲနဲ႕။ နအဖ အုပ္ခ်ဳပ္မႈ အသံုးမက်လို႕ ျဖစ္ေပၚလာတဲ့ က်ပ္တည္း ဆင္းရဲမႈပါ။ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္္ဆို႕မႈကို ေၾကာက္ရင္ သူတုိ႕ေတြရဲ႕ ဂတိမတည္မႈေတြ ၊ ကိုယ္က်ိဳးရွာမႈေတြ၊ ႏိုင္ငံအာဏာ မတရားယူထားမႈေတြကို စြန္႕လႊတ္ျပလုိက္ေပါ့။ အဲဒီလိုလုပ္ရင္ ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈကို ျပန္ဖြင့္ေပးမယ္ ေျပာထားသားပဲ။ တကယ့္ ျပည္သူျပည္သားေတြအက်ိဳးကို သိရင္ လိုလားရင္ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈက ေအာက္ေျခ လူတန္းစားကို ထိခိုက္ပါတယ္ဆိုရင္
တုိင္းျပည္သိပ္ခ်စ္တဲ့ ကိုယ့္လူမ်ိဳးေတြ သိပ္ခ်စ္တဲ့ စစ္အုပ္စုက သူတုိ႕ အက်ိဳးထက္ ျပည္သူအက်ိဳးၾကည့္သင့္တာေပါ့။
ေတာအုပ္ႀကီးတခုလံုးကို ျမင္ေအာင္ၾကည့္ပါ။ တပင္ခ်င္းကို မၾကည့္ရဘူးေလ။ ဒါဟာ မ်ိဳးဆက္ေတြကို စေတးေနရတာေလာက္ နစ္နာပါဦးမလား။

ကၽြန္ေတာ္ကေတာ့ အဲဒီလို စီးပြားေရးေတြ၊ ပိတ္တာ ဖြင့္တာကို အဓိက လုပ္ႏိုင္တဲ့ လူကေတာ့ နအဖျဖစ္တယ္လို႔ ျမင္ပါတယ္။ ပိတ္ေအာင္ သူတို႔ လုပ္တာပါ၊ အလားတူ ဖြင့္ေအာင္ သူတို႔ပဲ လုပ္ႏိုင္တာပါ။ သူတို႔မွာ အဲဒါကို ဖြင့္တဲ့ ေသာ့ရွိေနပါလ်က္ မလုပ္တာ ဦးသန္းေရႊ ဦးေဆာင္တဲ့ နအဖရဲ႕ ညံဖ်င္းမႈ၊ တကိုယ္ေကာင္းဆန္မႈလို႔ ရႈျမင္မိပါတယ္။

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့Hnin Suu said...

စီပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔တာကို လံုး၀ေထာက္ခံပါတယ္။ မေထာက္ခံ ရင္နအဖ ဒိထက္ ပိုျပီးေခါင္းေထာင္ျပီး ပိုျပီးေတာင္ အာခံမွာပါ။ ခု သူတို႔ကုိမပိတ္ဆို႔ ဘဲ သူတို႔ကို အားေပးေနတဲ႔ မဟာအင္အားၾကီး နုိင္ငံေတြ ရွိေနတာဘာလို႔ျပည္သူေတြ ဆင္းရဲေနရသလဲ။
မေထာက္ခံေသာ comment ပိုင္ရွင္ ရွင္းျပေပးပါ။
ဒီ နအဖ တိုင္းျပည္ ဘ႑ာ ခုိးစားေနတဲ႔ စစ္တပ္အုပ္ခ်ဳပ္ေနသ၍ တိုင္းျပည္ဘယ္ေတာ႔မွ နလံမထူပါဘူူး။မယံုရင္ေစာင္႔ၾကည္႔ပါ။
စီးပြားေရး မပိတ္ဆို႔လို႔ ရင္းႏွီးျျမွုပ္ႏွံမွုေတြလုပ္ရင္ ဗိုလ္ခ်ဳပ္ေတြ ဘာအက်ိဳးရွိျပီး ျပည္သူေတြ ဘယ္ေလာက္ပိုထမင္း၀လာမွာမို႔လို႔လဲ။ အုိဒီေအ လို အေထာက္အပံ႔ေတြ ဘယ္ကုိသြားသလဲ အခ်က္အလက္နဲ႔ တုိင္းျပည္ ကုိရွင္းျပဘူးသလား။

ခင္မင္းေဇာ္ said...

အမလည္း စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႕မႈေတြကို လံုး၀ ေထာက္ခံပါတယ္။ သူတို႕ စစ္အုပ္စုေၾကာင့္ ျပည္သူေတြ ဆင္းရဲေနတာပါ။ ဒါကို သူမ်ားအျပစ္ပံုခ်ေနတာ။
ေျပာခ်င္သူ ေရးခဲ့သလိုပါပဲ။
မ်ိဳးဆက္ေတြ နစ္နာေနတာ။ နာလန္မထူေအာင္ လူညြန္႕အခ်ိဳးခံေနရတာ ေတြကိုလည္း ထည့္တြက္ပါဦး။
တကယ္ စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႕မႈ ရုပ္သိမ္းေအာင္
လုပ္ေပးရမယ့္တာ၀န္ရွိသူဟာ စစ္အုပ္စုပဲဆိုတာ
ျမင္ေအာင္ ၾကည့္ဖုိ႕လိုပါတယ္။ တကယ့္ တရားခံအစစ္က အာဏာကိုမတရားရယူထားတဲ့ စစ္အာဏာရွင္ သန္းေရႊတုိ႕အုပ္စုပဲ။

perfect said...

Ko Htike, here is my comments from my point of view.

I think "sanction" will more or less will effect on "Junta". It is quite obvious that our ordinary burmese people do not have any investments or businesses outside Myanmar. Just look at what happened recently to Seafood Market. Our people are enjoying cheap and fresh Seafood which was never available in the market before. What if these Seafoods were exported and who will get foreign currency income $$$$$... Don't tell me it is our poor fishermen. Well this is just an example... What if Rice / Gas and other resources have not been exported. These commodities could not be stored for long time and where these commodities will go if not exported?

If anyone disagree with my comments, please cite any proove that sanction will only harm our ordinary people. I am ready to give you my comments.

wilson said...

I do believed and strongly agreed with sanction. It doesn`t make any difference to people of Burma. The ruling military junta have never allowed open trading to public for many decade. what is make difference for people of Burma, If sanction at this time.

maung said...

I support sanctions.

If the government of the country really cares for the people, and their living standards, they will open up ways for the people to make money. Then the people will come into the network of the international business and trading. If the other countries impose sanctions on such a country, it is definitely true that the citizens of the country will be in great troubles. In Burma, however, the government does not care for the people, and therefore the majority of the people do not even have the businesses for their own, sanctions will mainly hurt the government.
Since the people cannot do businesses freely and with trust (because the government can take it whenever they want, such as Asia Wealth Bank), and the people who are in gigantic business circles are all government-related, there is no doubt that the sanctions can really really hurt the government. Sometimes, it is not right to say' we do not want to lose anything, but we want to get democracy'. If we want it, we have to sacrifice things a bit or maybe a lot as well. Even the monks gave their lives to save the people, why can't we, the people, risk our lives, not to mention lose our jobs, to save the whole nation, not only for us but also for our coming generations?

Nwe said...

Before we comment on the West for their recent sanctions, we should be very aware of sanctions from inside Burma. Who made sanctions on cars, phones, IT, basic survival goods like rice, and business inside the country? Why are ten-years-old cars in Burma more expensive than a brand new one from other countries? It is a funny thing asking for lifting sanctions from outside world without realising SPDC themselves are making people's lives harder.

BurmeseGoldBull said...

Sanctions are hurting the country - both the Junta and the people.

What “perfect” said, people enjoy cheap sea food because it was not exported is not true. If there is abundant sea food supply because there is no export, this over supply will be only temporary. All things being equal, the sea food supply will be reduced to meet the existing demand. If there are exports, people will invest money in fishery so that supply will meet the demand. The same goes for gas and other commodities.

Wilson said, “It doesn’t make any difference to people of Burma.” Yes it does make the different. Just take a look at what happen in 1996 before the sanctions. We have much economic activities and we enjoyed the fruits.

YeThuThu said...

စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို ့တာကို ေထာက္ခံပါတယ္ စီးပြားေရးလုပ္ၿပီး ရသမွ်ဘ႑ာ ေတြဟာသူတို႔အတြက္ပဲ ဒါေတြနဲ ့ပဲသူတို႔အသက္ရွင္ေနတာ ျပည္သူေတြက ကိုလုပ္ကိုစား ျပီးအသက္ရွင္ေနၾကတာပါ ဘ႑ာေငြတစ္ျပားမွမပါဘူး ျပည္သူေတြက်န္းမာေရး ပညာေရးဘာျပန္ၾကည့္လို႔လဲ နိုင္ငံတကာကလွ်ဴတဲ့ က်န္မာေရး ပညာေရးအတြက္ေတာင္ ထိထိေရာက္ေရာက္ မွမရွိပဲ ျပည္သူေတြထိခိုက္တာထက္
သူတို႔အမ်ားၾကီးပိုထိခိုက္ပါတယ္

့Hnin Suu said...

စီးပြားေရးပိတ္ဆို႔တာကုိ ေနာက္အၾကိမ္ထပ္ျပီးေတာ႔ အတိအလင္းေထာက္ခံလိုက္ပါအံုးမယ္။
ျပည္သူရဲ ႔ ထမင္းတလုတ္ကိုတကယ္တန္းပိတ္ဆို႔ေနတာ အာဏာရူူး ဗိုလ္တစုပါ။
ပိတ္ဆို႔တာမခံထားရ ရင္ အခြင္႔အေရးကို အသံုးခ်ျပီး ခံစားမဲ႔သူက နအဖ နဲ ႔သူ႔အေပါင္းပါ ေ၀စားမွ်စားတစ္စုသာျဖစ္တယ္။ ဗိုလ္ခ်ဳပ္ေတြနဲ႔ သူ႔မိသားစုေတြ ေတဇေလယာဥ္ ေတြနဲ႔ ဥေရာပ အေမရိကန္ ကမၻာတလႊား ေပ်ာ္ေပ်ာ္ပါးပါး ေဆးကု ေစ်း၀ယ္ ထြက္တာကို ျမင္ခ်င္ရင္ေတာ႔ ကန္႔ကြက္ၾကေပါ႔ေလ။ အခု စင္ကာပူကိုဘဲ ၾကည္႔ပါ ။ သူတို႔ ကေတာ္ေတြ ဧရာမစိန္ၾကီးေတြ ၀တ္ျပီး ေစ်း၀ယ္ေနၾကတာ အေကာင္းဆံုး ဇိမ္ခံ အိမ္ၾကီးေတြမွာ ျပည္သူေတြရဲ ႔ ေခြ်းမ်ားစာနဲ႔ လာျပီးသံုးျဖံဳးေနၾကတာ ဒီမွာ လာကြ်န္ခံေနၾကတဲ႔ သူေတြ အားလံုးသိတယ္။ကန္႔ ကြက္သူ က ဗဟုသူတ ရွိေအာင္ ၾကိဳးစားပါအံုး

Thu Ra said...

I support Sanction!!!
To have good changes in our country,we have to give certain values. Even if it hurts to ordinary people we have to bear to get desire changes. If we fight with weapon, we also have to give our lives. The situation change or not depends on how stubborn is current so called government. There are evidents in History that Sanction has brought the changes in South Africa and North Korea.
In my opinion, it is obvious that sanction mainly hurt the people who have investment at other countries. So I don't believe that it will hurt so much to ordinary people. That is one of the threatening of stupid dictators and his followers.

Zed said...

For me I don't like "sanction" .. it will effect to all Myanmar national not only Junta but also our people will effect from that. Even me ..I do some business online and once I got My USD Cheque I had problem with clearing it . When I ask my bank they said cos of i'm myanmar. "Junta" will not be care about "sanction" cos they still do business with ASEAN and this is the reason ASEAN also didn't act anything on "Junta". As long as Europe and Amreaica make "sanction" ASEAN will be benefit from it. To Free Burma only People from Burma can do it.. We cannot ask help from other countries cos they are only looking for their benefit.. Think adult guys.. now I see the both parties as two children who try to loot one small cake and cry and shout to others for help......

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xavier said...

I agree with "perfect n nwe "said.

You just think yourself or do you realize that we have been sanction over 20 year by stupid government before outside country sanction to our Country.
Its depend on how and where you stand and look at the action.

bl27 said...

I think the sanction is not enough for the junta.Our counrty have a lot of resources,all of the go out to India, China and junta partner.Because India and China are big counrty ,so the junta are not afraid this sanction.

perfect said...

I truly thanks "burmesegoldbull" for explaining demand and supply theory. But I notice your comment of ...

"If there are exports, people will invest money in fishery"...

Can you please explain who do you means "PEOPLE" and who will be the main beneficiary.

Do you mean "MYANMA FISHERY" or "BUSINESS TYCOON" or "FISHERMEN" ???

I think you know who is the lord of MYANMA FISHERY and who are "TYCOONS".

However, only on one condition I will agree with what you said "All concerned parties will benefit from investing money in commodities business and by exporting to overseas". IF IT IS UNDER NORMAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION OF OUR POPULATION.

Ottara said...

၃ ဖက္ကၾကည့္ႏိုင္ပါတယ္။နအဖ ကလုံး၀မၾကိဳက္ပါ။ ဒါေပမဲ့ဒါေၾကာင့္ဆင္းရဲတာလို့
ပံုခ်ပါမယ္။နအဖအက်ိဳးရွိပါတယ္။ျမန္မာျပည္အျပင္ေရာက္ေနတဲ့သူေတြမွာ ၂ဖြဲ ့စည္းလုံးမွဳသိသိသာသာကြဲပါတယ္။ NCGUB + က နအဖအရွက္ရေအာင္ နဲ ့pressure ေပးထားတာျဖစ္ေအာင္လုပ္ခ်င္ပါတယ္။ ဒါေပမဲ့ သူ ့ရဲ ့main action အေနနဲ ့ေစာင္းေပးလြန္းျပီး sanction လုပ္တာမၾကိဳက္တဲ့သူေတြကိုပါ တိုက္ခိုက္ျပီးလုပ္တာေသြးကြဲေစပါတယ္။သူတို ့ရဲ ့ interest မလို ့ သူတို ့ကိုတနည္းနည္းအက်ိဳးရွိေစပါတယ္။ အျခားအဖြဲ ့ကလည္း အျမဲတမ္း lateral thinking နဲ ့သြားတာမို ့ မတူတာကိုအျမဲဆန့္က်င္ေရြးေျပာတတ္ပါတယ္။
ေဒၚေအာင္ဆန္းစုၾကည္အပါအ၀င္ျပည္သူေတြဖက္က
ၾကည့္ရင္ ဘာမွမျဖစ္ပါဘူး။sanction လုပ္လို ့လဲ မဆင္းရဲသြားဘူး။Sanction မလုပ္ေတာ့လဲပိုေျပလည္မသြားဘူး။
$ ၅၃ သန္း ေပးလည္း တေယာက္ $ တေဒၚလာဘဲရမယ္။ နအဖ personalတႏွစ္၀င္ေငြက $ ၅၃ သန္းထက္မ်ားပါတယ္။အထဲကျပည္သူေတြ sanction +/- ေၾကာင့္ ေျပာင္းလဲမွဳ လွဳပ္ရွားမွဳ နအဖ ဖက္ကအခ်ိဳးေျပာင္းလာမွဳ
မရွိႏိုင္ပါဘူး။ Air Bagan ပိတ္တာမ်ိဳးက, Burma Campaign လုပ္တာမ်ိဳးက
targeted Personal attack ပါ။တိုးခ်ဲ့ဆက္လုပ္သင့္ပါတယ္။
Generalized the whole country Sanction ကေတာ့ေသြးကြဲတာလြဲလို ့ ဘာမွ effect မျဖစ္ပါ။ နအဖ နဲ ့ sanction လုပ္ခ်င္ေသာသူမ်ား self interest အတြက္ဆက္လုပ္ပါေစ။ အမ်ားစုအတြက္ sanction လုပ္ျခင္းမလုပ္ျခင္းမထူးပါ။ neighbour ေတြအပါအ၀င္တကဘာလုံးက လုပ္ႏိုင္ရင္ေကာင္းတယ္။မလုပ္
နိဳင္က နအဖႏွင္ ့interest ရွိသူမ်ားမွလြဲလို ့အကိ်ဳးမရွိေသြးကြဲေစေသာေသာေၾကာင့္ မေဆြးေႏြးတာအေကာင္းဆုံးပါ။

klapperX said...

Yes to sanctions.

With no sanctions, a poor Burmese family can't already afford to eat a meal a day while junta and it's family members are eating like fat cats.

With sanctions, a poor Burmese family can't still afford to eat a meal a day.

But sanctions bring hope and that's the only thing they have:

The hope that they will live and breath freedom one day.

Ko Ko Poe said...

I do agree on that Sanctions cos it surely can hit Junta's Neck. Everyone can see clearly on that won't effect the Ordinary People, Like Us. Even we can buy Our country Goods by Cheap Prices. Like Tiger Prawn. Before this Sanctions, we can't even see that kind of Big Prawns in the Market of Yangon. Now, we can even effort to buy that kinds of Goodies things.
In the Other Hand, Of Course it will effect to those who dealing Unfair Business by Junta's Background. For Example, the Fishing Boats' owner of their Relatives. They can easily earn at least 1,000Usd per Day for every Fishing Boat they Own, before. So, how Can we imagine between their life and Ours terribly Struggling Lifes.
In the Other Hand, if all the World do not recoganize their properties, like Golds and US Dollars, Etc.. , they will have to surrender. Of course, if Nobody buy their Properties ( Gold, USD and Etc..), they will also be in same like our lives too.
So, I extremely agree to Foreign Sanctions in Good Will of My Country's Future.
Thanks For the Reading.
KK

Ye said...

Look @ http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=9395

Diplomacy will continue, as will mind-numbing debate on sanctions and constructive engagement. But the Burmese people, who have suffered long enough under the regime, now want those “smart missiles.”

Maung Irra

BurmeseGoldBull said...
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BurmeseGoldBull said...

I've written something about sanctions on my blog, http://burmesegoldbull.blogspot.com/2007/11/kay-sah-ma-she-bu-it-doesnt-matter.html.

If u v different opinions, pls leave some comments.

Btw, dear "perfect",

When i said "PEOPLE", what i mean is "JUNTA + their related big TYCOONS + ordinary people". At first most benefits will go to the "JUNTA + their TYCOONS". but people will enjoy the remains too. Ofcoz people will think the big guys r unfair. Yes business area is small so "JUNTA + their TYCOONS" have to keep ordinary people out of the area.

now we r talkin abt only the fishery. if we have other area of business, "JUNTA + their big TYCOONS + small TYCOONS" will do the jobs. They will benefits and now slightly more people will enjoy the fruits.

now lets say we have more business area to develop, "JUNTA + their big TYCOONS + small TYCOONS + ORDIANARY PEOPLE" will do the business, and some ORDINARY PEOPLE will become SMALL TYCOONS, then MIDIUM TYCOONS,... . More people will enjoy the big pie because now we have the pie big enough for everybody.

Now when I talk abt this, there is one assumption. That is - Junta is a pro-business government. If Junta believe that "OH now commodities (tiger prawn?) prices are high. I must bring down the prices by banning the export. If I don't do this people will unhappy and i will lose my seats", then all my above statements r wrong.

Anyway this kind of banning the exports (Junta think that exports r pushing the price high) normally happens. That’s the main reason most commodities r banned from exporting.

In above situation, there will still be mismanagement and nepotism, but people will not become that unhappy because they r part of the big pie too.

But with the sanctions, JUNTA + their related big TYCOONS hv only bones to bite. Then ordinary people will die of hunger. People will become angry. Before there is any changes, there will be big civil unrest. That’s the worst case scenario.

So now the best way for us is dialogue between our beloved Daw Aung Sun Su Kyi and Junta to proceed well. If steps towards the democracy are on the right track, sanctions must go away!

Btw, pls visit my blog http://burmesegoldbull.blogspot.com.

Goldie Shwe said...

I support sanctions as long as it is effectively targeted to individuals who are responsible for committing all the murders, tortures, rapes and robberies, during the last 50 years, in the name of government. All the sycophants and beneficiaries should also be on that targeted list. Presently such sanctions are the only way to criple those powerful and wealthy criminals until the justice, law and order could be broght back into Burma.

Tom said...

Sanctions will hurt both the rulers and those who are govered. The ordinary people are suffering not just because of sanctions but because of corruption and explotation of the generals.In stead of spending the taxes (income) for the people , the generals are accumulating wealth for their families. They are wasting mioney by building unnecessary new cities, expanding the army which does not contribute to production and buying arms and fighter planes. They have neglected the health and education sector. They are building dams nad cities because when ever they build dams/cities the generals get a lot of money(bribes) from the construction companies.
Tom

Thet Thet Tun said...

poverty has been going on in Burma since after 1962. The junta has always been thinking of blaming DASSK and West for ongoing poverty by the sanctions. If they have enough knowledge and were capable to maintain reasonable thinking, they will find DASSK is not the source of poverty because she cannot decide if Burma to be sanctioned.

The main reason of poverty and starvation in Burma is mismanagement and corruption. For example, the junta has no knowledge about business at all. Most ministers in Burma came from army who has no clue about today business world and civil administration. Consequently, there are a lot of mess in many civil offices. And the corruption has been the worst case. They may deny, of course. But, they cannot when they were caught red-handed. Many overseas bank account of Burmese army officials and their relatives were often frozen in different west countries such as England, United States and Australia. For instance, almost four hundred people of bank account was frozen in Great Britain about three and half years ago. Recently, Australia frozen the account of 422 people. Where do they get the money from? Why they don't want to put in Burmese National Banks? Don't they know investing in Burma is more important than anything else? If the junta , itself asking the Burmese overseas citizens to invest money in Burma, why do they invest their money in western countries? If Than Shwe hates west world, why did he let his people and his families to keep the money in west countries?

As a leader of poor country, he should be much better controlling his people to improve the situation.

Aung said...

Anyway, anyhow all comments were remarkbly appreciable for all Mynamar people and may also getting for us more thoughtful ways to fight junta. Today in our Myanamr political areana nothing has come to our attention unaninmously that we will continually stay remain motionless and speechless than ever before is what we left at present. All people were already stuck in ther heart that will ever against something whatever they can within their capacity to junta group till die.***** Please be noted that it is worth nothing at this stage that it is neither necessary nor praticable for us to debate each others(pro-democracy groups)on this rough journey. Just stay and voice out together.If not we have to spend our life again and again to unforeseeable period under junta' tricky and cunning rules.*********

perfect said...

Dear "Burmesegoldbull"…

I thank you for your explanation.

It is a long story if we discuss about when and how our economy will growth and when 3rd category of People (Ordinary People) will have a chance to bite left over of First two categories (Junta and his Tycoons).

As you admitted “At first most benefits will go to the "JUNTA + their TYCOONS"

1) Why most benefits should go first to Junta and Tycoons? We are not their slaves and our people should get what they ought to have.

2) How long it will take for our ordinary people to become “small tycoons”?

Here is my answer: “Under this military ruling, Family of Local Township Administrators and Municipal Polices will become “medium tycoons” before our ordinary people become “small tycoons”. Please correct me if I am wrong.

As I said before what you have said will happen only under normal economic system.

To get removes this abnormal system of ruling, we are calling for “Sanction” for the sake of our people.

m said...

Yes to the SANCTION. We all aware sanction will be hurting the ordinary Burmese. Army (Monster) are putting his foot more strongly every day. He is showing to his followers that the world is with Army. Now they succeed to do so on ASEAN. All of their propaganda is the UN and the world is with us only a few countries are against to Burma and peoples believe for that. It may be a very long walk democracy. All the sanction is not easily approval from the EU, Canada and USA due to long proceed by their parliaments. This is only first step. And it is very effective so therefore BBG Than Shwe demand to Aunty Suu for precondition meeting before sanction come in force. Second sanction will be Ban to use Euro Dollars. Third sanction will come ASEAN to follow sanction or lost trading with EU and USA. That will be big lost for ASEAN because every trading ASEAN has to knee down due to member Burma. Fourth will come Arm ban to Burma. Five if situation is right the bans extend up to sanction against to the trading countries. That mean no in and out imports officially. Even China, India & Russia will not dare to move openly or they will burn their hand.
Third and fourth stage hopefully will get rebelling from young Army commanders they don’t like it. BBG is very busy for arresting peoples (Killing too if nobody see) so half of the present commanders are still there. Actually their heads suppose to roll due to signalled to Maung Aye (Aunty Aye) to take over during crises but Aunty Aye is BBG man so did not move but they got to pay back for that. (But it is too risky for BBG to move action now and take some time). Suffering of the peoples is unavoidable due to the only one group (handfuls of generals). That is their doing. Not sanction. Sanction is a bitter medicine but need to take now or Burma will lose Buddhism. Why because long run without sanction they will come stronger and stronger BUT CRAZY they will poisons or drugs slowly to all good monks and monks will fail on the drugs test. Anti monks propaganda will be there in head line. Remember Monks need to take alms gaily. Due to poisons slowly monks will get sick and will go to jungle. May be they already doing that. (They closed down university about 12 years, officially it is open but you know they are close. What did they do to university students nothing!! Nothing is same as killing). Do you realize what kind of monks will replace? The world needs to stop that and only medicine we got now is SANCTION!!

seinn said...

Hi,

" don't be trapped under S'pore Policy " He explictly reveal that he wants prosperous burma without changing regime. ( Ref ;VOA news/Japan trip )

If ASEAN do not want Sanction, what is their plan B? They repeatedly said engagement policy since Burma joined ASEAN in 1997. Does it work? If it works, some result we can see now.

Their behaviour of irresponsibility and ignorance of Burmese people is totally unacceptable. They ( S'pre ) again said that they have no leverage power on Generals( So what the hell of engagement, he answer his question byhimself )(ref; Interview with Aljazeera )

Don't forget one true factor : million of ordinary burmese houselhod depends on transfer money from oversea workers.

TO ALL OUR MYOCHIT MYANMAR, NEXT STEP IS TO PREVENT TRADE AGREEMENT B/W ASEAN and EC,THE FORMER AND AMERICA UNTIL ASEAN CHANGE THEIR POLICY

BurmeseGoldBull said...

Perfect wrote, “Here is my answer: “Under this military ruling, Family of Local Township Administrators and Municipal Polices will become “medium tycoons” before our ordinary people become “small tycoons”. Please correct me if I am wrong.”

Dear perfect, as long as there are corruption, nepotism and mismanagement, family of local township… will become tycoons first, the rest will go to the common people. Even if there is Democracy, this will happen. Even if local government is elected, this will still happen. Please take a look at India, Indonesia and Philippines. Corruption is still rampant there and local power is concentrated in the hands of local tycoons.

Corruption and nepotism is in the heart of Asians. It’s the tradition. In Myanmar everybody corrupts, including you and me relatives, be it in government sectors or in private business. It’s the culture.

Mismanagement happens when the leader is incompetent. Junta is incompetent in doing business. But when we have elected local government, we still have the mismanagement. You know who will be elected in your local region if there is election. Do you believe that your local government is at the best position to solve the problems – social and economic? We can no longer depend on the central government to do the day-to-day running for local government. Central government will set the plan and local government has to execute the plan independently. Even if central government is competent, there’ll be mismanagement in local level.

When the government is pro-business, people must be pro-business too. Sometimes central government want execute a plan which they think is good for the whole country, but central government faces the resistance for local government and execution failed.

Just recently in India, local people reject the government plan to build economic zones. This kind of problem will happen in Myanmar too.

What I mean is democracy is not final destination. It’s just the beginning of the long journey. Having democracy only means that we can remove our government at our will if we don’t like them. Other than that there is no meaning in democracy.

Sound governance, sound economic system and social structure is nothing to do with democracy. It all depends on the people. If ordinary people are corrupt and support nepotism, our elected government will practice the same too.

If we remove the government, the next government will also be same too because it’s the people themselves who are corrupt.

perfect said...

Dear Brother Bull,

Though most of your latest comments are not related to "sanction", I do agree with some of your comments.

So long as "Government" care about well living of its population, they have right to do what they deem fit under the rightful law. At least people in those country have chance to re-elect for better management.

Kwet said...

Burma has different economic structure unlike many other countries.
One is the economy for the Generals which rely on legal international trading. They received the revenue by selling gas, timber gems and other natural resource to the neighboring countries.
Another way is FDI into Burma. However general put this money into their pocket and they became generals cum multimillionaires , with their offshore account in the countries like Singapore and may be in country like Dubai.
Economic Sanction directly and effectively hit them. Good example is the fall of Tayza Empire!
Normal Burmese rely on the alternative economy. Basic economy is base on Agriculture and majority of Burmese survive with their own Agro Base industries. Another way of getting the money is through the remittance of the foreign hard currencies by the Burmese workers and by the border trade. This kind of trade is the source of income for the majority of the Burmese since Socialist period. International sanction will have no effect on 90% of the normal Burmese.
Those making noise about the Economic Sanctions are
1. Junta and their cronies
2. Those with the poor understanding of international politics and the dynamic of the current Burmese Economy.
Sit Mone

linn said...

စီပြားေရပိတ္ဆို႔တာကို ေထာက္ခံပါတယ္။ ဒါေပမယ့္ခုေလာက္ေလးနဲ႔ေတာ့ နအဖလို လူလိမ္ေတြက မမႈပါဘူး

Ko said...

kwet,

r u stupid to do the conclusion that way?

read some more!

May said...

Sanctions never work and will not work..
Democracy happens only in educated and civilized countries.
You cannot beg to have democracy.
You have to fight for it.
Not with arms but with money or workforce.
If you have majority or workers union that can demand democracy , it will happen.
For that your country must be industrialized first.
Democracy is a western idea. it was not born and Asia.
Burmese do not know what they want.
If they get democracy , it will be a long way for peace and prosperity.
Think before you ask.
You will get it but better be ready for it.
meanwhile there are one millionaire a day born in communist China and Chinese peasants are enjoying prosperity and freedom. ( not democracy )
because there is no trade sanctions to China. It is corrupted as well.
Today you can start boycott chinese product if you want democracy in Burma.

perfect said...

Yes, I agreed with Sit Mone.

I also hereby conclude my comments without prejudice that those people having negative views against "sanction" must be -

a) Relatives and "direct or indirect" business partners of "Junta"

b) Not related to "Junta" but know how to make profit out of poor workers and farmers and are doing it.

c) Anyone with good or fair income and do not care about what is happening to the family at next door.

I must say that I am not blaming the peoples of b) and c) above for poor economy.

But if they can't pressurize on group of people at category a) for better economy... why complaint about "sanction"... why don't keep quiet.

"Sanction" is targeted to category a) and nothing to do with category b) and c). I believe b) and c) have ability to make money under any government.

But if you consider yourself under category b) and c) but still do not agree to keep quiet, I have no objection but to put you under category a).

P.S: This is just my personal opinion and does not means to any individual or person.

seinn said...

To May,

The universal truth is we will never get any chance to be educated and basic human rights under those military generals.

Their top priority is to grab power in any ways and crush every obstacle on thier way. That is why our education system is totally distratous under them. 19 years is more than enough to believe their words " disciplined democracy country "

Me too. I do not like economic sanction. Why it taks too long.I prefer to bring all top generals to International Court.

moung yin aw said...

Absolutely support economic sunction against the military junta, anyway. It is a possible punishing to the junta. Opposing that sunction means supporting the junta.

စိုးေဇယ်ထြန္း said...

ကၽြန္ေတာ္ကေတာ့ မေထာက္ခံပါဘူး ......
မေထာက္ခံဖူးဆိုတိုင္းလဲ တဖက္လူလို႔ မျမင္ေစခ်င္ပါဘူး ..
ဘာေၾကာင့္လဲဆိုတာကို ကၽြန္ေတာ္ အနည္းငယ္ရွင္းျပပါမယ္။

ႏိုင္ငံတစ္ခုရဲ႕ စီးပြားေရး အခန္းကဏ႑မွာ ပုဂၢလိက အခန္းကဏ႑ နဲ႔ အစိုးရ အခန္းကဏ႑ ဆိုၿပီး အပိုင္းႏွစ္ပိုင္းရွိပါတယ္။

အဲဒီမွာ အစိုးရ ျပဳတ္က်ရင္ၿပီးတာပဲ ပိတ္ၾကပါဆို႔ၾကလို႔ ေအာ္ေနရံုးနဲ႔ အစိုးရက ျပဳတ္က်သြားမွာ မဟုတ္ပါဘူး။

ဘာျဖစ္လို႔လဲဆိုေတာ့ ျပင္ပရဲ႕ ပိတ္ဆို႔မႈေတြဟာ အစိုးရကို တိုက္ရိုက္ ထိခိုက္ေစတာ မဟုတ္ပဲ ႏုိင္ငံတြင္းမွာ ရွိတဲ့ ပုဂၢလိက စီးပြားေရး အခန္းကဏ႑ ေတြကို တိုက္ရိုက္ ထိခိုက္သြားတာပါ။

ျမန္မာျပည္မွာ သိၾကတဲ့အတိုင္းပဲ ျဖစ္ပ်က္ေနတဲ့ အေျခအေနအရ စီးပြားေရး မေကာင္းရတဲ့ၾကားက၊ ျပင္ပက ထပ္ပိတ္မယ္ဆိုရင္ ျပည္သူေတြမွာ နဂိုကမွ ေရနစ္လို႔ မရူႏိုင္ မကယ္ႏိုင္ျဖစ္ေနတဲ့ လူတစ္ေယာက္ကို ၀ါးထိုးမကူပဲ ၀ါးလံုးနဲ႔ ရိုက္သလို ခံစားရပါလိမ့္။

အခုဆိုရင္ ၾကည့္ဗ်ာ ............
ဥပမာ တစ္ခုေျပာရေအာင္

ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံမွာ ပဲထြက္တယ္။
လက္ရွိကမၻာေပၚမွာ ပဲကို အမ်ားဆံုး စားသံုးေနတာက အာဖရိက ႏိုင္ငံေတြ။ ျမန္မာက ထြက္တဲ့ ပဲေတြကို ပဲကုန္သည္တစ္ေယာက္က ေရာင္းမယ္ဆိုရင္ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႔ထားတာေၾကာင့္ အာဖရိကကို တိုက္ရိုက္ေရာင္းလို႔ မရေတာ့ဘူး။

အႏၵိယကို ေရာင္းရတယ္။ အႏိၵယကေန အဲဒီပဲေတြကို ပဲခြဲလုပ္ငန္း သန္႔စင္တဲ့ လုပ္ငန္းေတြလုပ္ၿပီး အဲဒီအာဖရိကကို ျပန္ေရာင္းတယ္။

အဲဒီေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္တို႔ႏိုင္ငံက ကုန္သည္ေတြက အာဖရိကက ေပးတဲ့ ေစ်းကို မရေတာ့ဘူး။ အႏၵိယရေပးတဲ့ ေစ်းပဲရတယ္။

တကယ္လို႔သာ အာဖရိကကို တိုက္ရိုက္ေရာင္းႏိုင္မယ္ဆိုရင္ ကုန္သည္ေတြ ေစ်းပိုရမယ္။ အဲဒီေတာ့ ပဲေစ်းပိုေကာင္းလာမယ္။ အဲလို ပဲေစ်းေကာင္းလာရင္ ျပည္တြင္းက ပဲကုန္သည္ေတြ ပဲစိုက္တဲ့ ေတာင္သူေတြ ၀င္ေငြပိုလာမယ္။ ပဲကုန္သည္တို႔ ပဲေတာင္သူတို႔ဆိုတာ အစိုးရ စီးပြားေရး လုပ္ငန္းနဲ႔ ဘာမွ မသက္ဆိုင္ဘူးေနာ္ တကယ့္ျပည္သူ အစစ္ေတြ။

ေနာက္တစ္ခု ၾကည့္ဗ်ာ
ေရထြက္ကုန္စၥၫ္း

ေရထြက္ကုန္ပစၥည္းမွာဆိုရင္ ကမၻာမွာ အႀကီးဆံုးေစ်းကြက္က ဥေရာပပဲ

အခု စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ထားတယ္။ ျမန္မာက ေရထြက္ကုန္ေတြေရာင္းခ်င္ရင္။ မယံုရင္ အေအးခန္း ကြန္တိန္နာေတြ လာၾကည့္ပါ။ Made in Myanamr ဆိုတဲ့ စာသား မတပ္ရပါဘူး။ ၾကားမွာ ဘဂၤလာေဒ့္ ႏိုင္ငံ ကုမၼဏီေတြကို ခံၿပီး ေရာင္းရပါတယ္။
အဲဒီေတာ့ ကိုယ့္ရမဲ့ ပိုက္ဆံေတြထဲ အျမတ္ေတြကို ဘာဆိုင္တဲ့ ဘဂၤလားေဒ့္ကို အေျခာက္တိုက္ သြားေပးေနရတယ္။

ေရထြက္ကုန္ဆိုတာ အစိုးရက ထုတ္တာမဟုတ္ဘူးေနာ္။ ပင္လယ္မွာ ငါးဖမ္းသမားေတြ ဖမ္းတဲ့ ငါးေတြ။ ပုစြန္ေတြ၊ ဂဏန္းေတြ။

ေနာက္ဆံုး ဥေရာပကို ေရာင္းမရတဲ့အခါမွာ ေရာင္းလို႔ရတဲ့ ေပါက္ေဖာ္ႀကီးကို ေအာက္ေစ်းနဲ႔ ေရာင္းေနရတယ္။
အဲဒါဘာေၾကာင့္ ျဖစ္တာလဲ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႔ထားလို႔ျဖစ္တာ။
ဘယ္သူေတြ ထိလဲ ျပည္သူေတြကို ထိတာ။

ျမန္မာျပည္ကို စီးပြားေရ ပိတ္ဆို႔ထားတာ ကလင္တန္ လက္ထက္ကတည္းကဗ်ာ။ အခုဆိုရင္ ေဂ်ာ့ဘုေတာင္ သက္တန္းကုန္ေတာ့မယ္။ ထိေရာက္လား။

ထိေရာက္မႈရွိရင္ ၾကာပီေလ။ သူတို႔ရည္မွန္းတဲ့ အစိုးရျပဳတ္ၾကတာ။ အခု ဘာလို႔ ျပဳတ္မက်တာလဲ။ အေျဖကရွင္းေနတာပဲ။ အဲဒီ စီးပြားေရး ပိတ္ဆို႔တဲ့ နည္းလမ္းႀကီးက လမ္းမမွန္လိုပေပါ့။

အစိုးရ အခုရပ္တည္ေနတယ္ဆိုတာ။ ငါးေရာင္းၿပီး ရပ္ေနတာ မဟုတ္ဘူး။ ပဲေရာင္းၿပီး ရပ္ေနတာမဟုတ္ဘူး။ ႏိုင္ငံျခား ရင္းႏွီး ျမဳတ္ႏွံကုမၸဏီေတြဆီမွာ အခြန္ေကာက္ၿပီး ရပ္ေနတာမဟုတ္ဘူး။

သူတို႔တိုက္က အစိုးရကို တုိက္တယ္ဆိုေပမယ့္ တကယ္ခံေနရတာ ျပည္သူေတြ။

သူတို႔ဘာနဲ႔ ရပ္တည္ေနတာလဲ .............


သစ္ခြဆိုတဲ့ အပင္မ်ိဳးက သစ္ပင္ႀကီး တစ္ပင္ပင္က အဟာရေတြ စုပ္ၿပီး ရွင္သန္ၾကီးထြားတာ။

သစ္ပင္ႀကီးရဲ႕ ေရေသာက္ျမစ္ေတြ ျဖစ္ရံုနဲ႔ေတာ့ သစ္ခြပင္က ေသမသြားဘူး။ ေရေသာက္ျမစ္ေတြကို ျဖတ္ရင္ သစ္ပင္ႀကီးပဲ အင္အားယုတ္ေယာ့သြားမွာ။

သစ္ခြကေတာ့ သူလို႔တဲ့ အဟာရကို သစ္ပင္ကေန စုပ္ေနဦးမွာပဲ။

သစ္ခြကို သတ္ခ်င္တာနဲ႔ သစ္ျမစ္ေတြ အားလံုးျဖတ္လိုက္ရင္.............

အရင္ေသမွာက သစ္ခြမဟုတ္ဘူးေနာ္

အရင္ေသမွာ သစ္ပင္

သစ္ခြ ေသေအာင္ သစ္ပင္ကို သတ္ရပါဆယ္ဆိုရင္ေတာ့ သဘ၀မက်ဘူးလို႔ ထင္တယ္

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